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- Thu Jan 16, 2025 8:22 am
- Forum: Off Topic Section
- Topic: Maybe an issue???
- Replies: 2
- Views: 1861
- Thu Jun 29, 2023 5:22 am
- Forum: Off Topic Section
- Topic: Thanks to Pablo for the new update WWB (18.3.0).
- Replies: 3
- Views: 4811
Re: Thanks to Pablo for the new update WWB (18.3.0).
Outstanding as usual, thanks!!
- Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:13 am
- Forum: General Questions
- Topic: WB17 - 2Checkout - Purchase and Download - 64 or 32 Bit
- Replies: 3
- Views: 3947
Re: WB17 - 2Checkout - Purchase and Download - 64 or 32 Bit
I have it, I have it Mmmuuuuhhhhh
Oops sorry, carried away
Oops sorry, carried away

- Thu May 27, 2021 2:27 am
- Forum: General Questions
- Topic: Newest Update
- Replies: 20
- Views: 11261
Re: Newest Update
Hi cfortney,
I have not read all the thread, but yo may want to look at your DEP settings just in case.
Data Execution Prevention (DEP) is built into Windows 10 and adds an extra layer of security that stops malware from running in memory. It is enabled by default and is designed to recognize and ...
I have not read all the thread, but yo may want to look at your DEP settings just in case.
Data Execution Prevention (DEP) is built into Windows 10 and adds an extra layer of security that stops malware from running in memory. It is enabled by default and is designed to recognize and ...
- Thu May 20, 2021 2:17 am
- Forum: Share self-made extensions with other users of WYSIWYG Web Builder
- Topic: 3D Z-TEXT EXTENSION (FREE)
- Replies: 3
- Views: 17589
Re: 3D Z-TEXT EXTENSION (FREE)
Nice one mate!
I could see some use for that on particular sites, thank you!!
I could see some use for that on particular sites, thank you!!
- Thu May 20, 2021 2:12 am
- Forum: Share self-made extensions with other users of WYSIWYG Web Builder
- Topic: 3D ROTATING IMAGE CAROUSEL (FREE) - Updated 1/4/21
- Replies: 20
- Views: 29163
Re: 3D ROTATING IMAGE CAROUSEL (FREE) - Updated 1/4/21
Can not say it any better then the guys above, Outstanding work and very much appreciated mate!
Thank you!
Thank you!
- Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:34 pm
- Forum: WYSIWYG Web Builder Tips, Tricks, Tutorials and Code Examples
- Topic: Do This to Improve Image Loading on Your Website
- Replies: 3
- Views: 7221
Re: Do This to Improve Image Loading on Your Website
OM Goodness.
This has been a thing I do since the option was included in HTML.
Do people NOT do this?
This has been a thing I do since the option was included in HTML.
Do people NOT do this?
- Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:37 am
- Forum: General Questions
- Topic: Good Software!
- Replies: 1
- Views: 3158
- Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:18 pm
- Forum: Off Topic Section
- Topic: AUSTRALIAN (ONLY) WEB BUILDERS - Info Sought
- Replies: 6
- Views: 7515
Re: AUSTRALIAN (ONLY) WEB BUILDERS - Info Sought
Hi BB,
Thanks for the response - do they have Australian or OS support?
I couldn't find any phone numbers on their site - that concerns me.
Hi again mate, sorry for the late response.
They do not do phone only tickets, I had several issues of my own creation and the response time was around ...
- Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:25 am
- Forum: Off Topic Section
- Topic: AUSTRALIAN (ONLY) WEB BUILDERS - Info Sought
- Replies: 6
- Views: 7515
Re: AUSTRALIAN (ONLY) WEB BUILDERS - Info Sought
Hi Mate,
I would recommend
Zuver I had no issues at all over a 12 month period.
https://zuver.net.au/
Cheers
BB
I would recommend
Zuver I had no issues at all over a 12 month period.
https://zuver.net.au/
Cheers
BB
- Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:13 am
- Forum: Showcase your website created by WYSIWYG Web Builder and invite feedback.
- Topic: Dog walking services website
- Replies: 16
- Views: 17353
Re: Dog walking services website
Hi bubblegumweb,
Is this your own site?
The only reason I ask is the Paw logo I have seen a a number of sites, you may want to check if the Paw is a Registered Logo. Just a thought.
The site its self seems fine, but tends to look like a million others, but if that's what the client wants so be it ...
Is this your own site?
The only reason I ask is the Paw logo I have seen a a number of sites, you may want to check if the Paw is a Registered Logo. Just a thought.
The site its self seems fine, but tends to look like a million others, but if that's what the client wants so be it ...
- Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:18 am
- Forum: Paid Templates
- Topic: Need a template
- Replies: 1
- Views: 17880
Re: Need a template
Hi Kea,
Well mates that pretty vague, but I have a selection of templates you can have a look at, all of them can be adapted / changed. And may more available here and on other sites, if your interested use my contact form.
Did you want the template maker to input the information about your site ...
Well mates that pretty vague, but I have a selection of templates you can have a look at, all of them can be adapted / changed. And may more available here and on other sites, if your interested use my contact form.
Did you want the template maker to input the information about your site ...
- Thu May 24, 2018 9:50 am
- Forum: Share self-made extensions with other users of WYSIWYG Web Builder
- Topic: Linear Dividers Extension
- Replies: 16
- Views: 64465
**Solved** Linear Dividers Extension
Hey again Crispy68,
Ok I went back to the basic and did all the checks, uninstalled and reinstalled WB14 and the extensions.
The extension is now working, or appears to be. One issue still remains, your demo projects still do not work, but that's not really and issue.
Great stuff mate thanks so ...
Ok I went back to the basic and did all the checks, uninstalled and reinstalled WB14 and the extensions.
The extension is now working, or appears to be. One issue still remains, your demo projects still do not work, but that's not really and issue.
Great stuff mate thanks so ...
- Thu May 24, 2018 2:41 am
- Forum: Share self-made extensions with other users of WYSIWYG Web Builder
- Topic: Linear Dividers Extension
- Replies: 16
- Views: 64465
Re: Linear Dividers Extension
Hi mate,crispy68 wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 2:14 am @BB,
Can you contact me privately and possibly send me a project file that is not working?
Yes I can, I will try and get some snap shots tonight for you.
Cheers
BB
- Thu May 24, 2018 12:31 am
- Forum: Share self-made extensions with other users of WYSIWYG Web Builder
- Topic: Linear Dividers Extension
- Replies: 16
- Views: 64465
Re: Linear Dividers Extension
@bburgess,
I have not tested it on the 64bit version so I can't say. It works on the regular version 12+ and 14 as I've tested it on both.
If I have time I will try and download the 64 bit version and check it out. I used extension builder so I'm not sure why it wouldn't work unless the ...
- Wed May 23, 2018 9:35 am
- Forum: Share self-made extensions with other users of WYSIWYG Web Builder
- Topic: Linear Dividers Extension
- Replies: 16
- Views: 64465
Re: Linear Dividers Extension
Mate I have the dividers installed, but the entire WBWD Linear Dividers and Curved Dividers are blank. the only thing is the General Choose Divider Style.
And your demos are blank as well and do not sow anything at preview.
Are you running WB 14.02?
Is this for the 64bit version?
Cheers
BB
And your demos are blank as well and do not sow anything at preview.
Are you running WB 14.02?
Is this for the 64bit version?
Cheers
BB
- Wed May 23, 2018 1:03 am
- Forum: Share self-made extensions with other users of WYSIWYG Web Builder
- Topic: Linear Dividers Extension
- Replies: 16
- Views: 64465
Re: Linear Dividers Extension
Hi Crispy68,crispy68 wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 8:05 pm @bburgess,
When I get home this evening, I will contact you.
Thanks mate! I have the email, but I am at work at the moment. I will download tonight and have a play

Thanks for all your effort with these!
Cheers
BB
- Wed May 23, 2018 1:02 am
- Forum: Share self-made extensions with other users of WYSIWYG Web Builder
- Topic: Linear Dividers Extension
- Replies: 16
- Views: 64465
Re: Linear Dividers Extension
Hi mate,RiaanN wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 10:19 am If allowed
Send me your email address and I will mail you the extension
Regards
Riaan
Thank you ! but Crispy68 has fixed me up

Cheers
BB
- Tue May 22, 2018 9:06 am
- Forum: Share self-made extensions with other users of WYSIWYG Web Builder
- Topic: Linear Dividers Extension
- Replies: 16
- Views: 64465
Re: Linear Dividers Extension
Hi again Crispy68,
The link I was sent does not work mate I get this error.
Edit: nope have checked it is well within the 24 hour period.
The link I was sent does not work mate I get this error.
or maybe the time of 24 hours ran out, can you re send please?Missing or invalid parameters
Edit: nope have checked it is well within the 24 hour period.
- Mon May 21, 2018 8:36 am
- Forum: Share self-made extensions with other users of WYSIWYG Web Builder
- Topic: Linear Dividers Extension
- Replies: 16
- Views: 64465
Re: Linear Dividers Extension
Crisp68 Outstanding mate, this will be a great time saver for me thank you!
I have ordered just waiting on the second email
Cheers
BB
I have ordered just waiting on the second email

Cheers
BB
- Fri May 11, 2018 2:10 am
- Forum: Share self-made extensions with other users of WYSIWYG Web Builder
- Topic: AFFIX HEADER EXTENSION (FREE) ** UPDATE 10/3/23 **
- Replies: 6
- Views: 44111
Re: Affix Header Extension
Very Very handy mate!
Thank you!
Thank you!
- Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:18 am
- Forum: Share templates with other users of WYSIWYG Web Builder
- Topic: Community Group Template - Recommendations?
- Replies: 7
- Views: 64638
Re: Community Group Template - Recommendations?
Good stuff! Your all set mate 
Let us know when the sites up I will have a sticky

Let us know when the sites up I will have a sticky

- Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:12 am
- Forum: Share templates with other users of WYSIWYG Web Builder
- Topic: Community Group Template - Recommendations?
- Replies: 7
- Views: 64638
Re: Community Group Template - Recommendations?
Hi Mark,
Yep Aussie here mate :D
I had some issues with it working on whilst using the Login Tool set, and could not resolve that one :(
Have you tried the Invisible reCAPTCHA it may give you a better result. I had that up and running fine, however its PHP took over the validation settings.
Have ...
Yep Aussie here mate :D
I had some issues with it working on whilst using the Login Tool set, and could not resolve that one :(
Have you tried the Invisible reCAPTCHA it may give you a better result. I had that up and running fine, however its PHP took over the validation settings.
Have ...
- Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:46 am
- Forum: Share templates with other users of WYSIWYG Web Builder
- Topic: Community Group Template - Recommendations?
- Replies: 7
- Views: 64638
Re: Community Group Template - Recommendations?
Hi Mark,
I have a selection of templates as well as being able to adapt the WB ones if they have caught your eye.
Only issue is I am employed Full Time and have limited hours to spend on Freelancing at present.
So if you have no luck with any of the developers here and if your happy to have the ...
I have a selection of templates as well as being able to adapt the WB ones if they have caught your eye.
Only issue is I am employed Full Time and have limited hours to spend on Freelancing at present.
So if you have no luck with any of the developers here and if your happy to have the ...
- Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:30 am
- Forum: Off Topic Section
- Topic: 4K Screen Help Please
- Replies: 2
- Views: 3500
Re: 4K Screen Help Please
Generally fine - except the content on the orange bar goes a bit wobbly on one of the breakpoints (around small tablet size) for a small range of size.
Hey mate and thanks for checking it out for me!
except the content on the orange bar goes a bit wobbly on one of the breakpoints (around ...
- Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:56 am
- Forum: Off Topic Section
- Topic: 4K Screen Help Please
- Replies: 2
- Views: 3500
4K Screen Help Please
Hi guys 
Anybody with a 4k screen, can you please check this out and let me know how it looks on 4k please.
Testing Skew Y

Anybody with a 4k screen, can you please check this out and let me know how it looks on 4k please.
Testing Skew Y
- Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:26 am
- Forum: Login Tools Questions
- Topic: Confused by the Help re extra mysql fields
- Replies: 4
- Views: 27596
Re: Confused by the Help re extra mysql fields
Thanks PabloPablo wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:05 am No, it is because all names (database fields, input field, scripts, admin tool) need to match.


Have a great day!
Cheers
BB
- Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:29 am
- Forum: Login Tools Questions
- Topic: Confused by the Help re extra mysql fields
- Replies: 4
- Views: 27596
Re: Confused by the Help re extra mysql fields
Thanks PabloPablo wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:18 am It means that the database fields and input fields need to be named like this. You cannot pick random names.
I thought that is what it meant, but wanted to be sure, is this because its tied in with the PHP?
Cheers
BB
- Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:09 am
- Forum: Login Tools Questions
- Topic: Confused by the Help re extra mysql fields
- Replies: 4
- Views: 27596
Confused by the Help re extra mysql fields
Hi guys ;)
Sorry this has me confused in the help it states:
If you have added custom profile fields to any (or all) of the login objects then you must also create these fields in the database.
Custom profile fields must be named extra1, extra2, extra3 etc!
The following SQL query generates a ...
Sorry this has me confused in the help it states:
If you have added custom profile fields to any (or all) of the login objects then you must also create these fields in the database.
Custom profile fields must be named extra1, extra2, extra3 etc!
The following SQL query generates a ...
- Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:24 am
- Forum: Login Tools Questions
- Topic: Login / Logout
- Replies: 23
- Views: 50943
Re: Login / Logout
@alex4orly mate I am learning from your posts and the reply's!
I have been having some issues as well so this is great that questions are asked and I can look them up
Cheers
BB
I have been having some issues as well so this is great that questions are asked and I can look them up

Cheers
BB
- Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:26 am
- Forum: Login Tools Questions
- Topic: Honey pot and Login Tools?
- Replies: 3
- Views: 16228
Re: Honey pot and Login Tools?
@Pablo Thank you, I will have to have a play 
@RZ Thats a good looking CAPTCHA mate thanks for pointing me in the direction!
Cheers
BB

@RZ Thats a good looking CAPTCHA mate thanks for pointing me in the direction!
Cheers
BB
- Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:22 am
- Forum: Login Tools Questions
- Topic: Honey pot and Login Tools?
- Replies: 3
- Views: 16228
Honey pot and Login Tools?
Hi Pablo :)
Do you know if I can use the Anti Spam Honey Pot technique in conjuction with the Login Tools > Signup Object?
Or will the database have a meltdown?
Honey Pot: Place an edit box into the form, give it an enticing name, hide it from humans, if its filled in its a spam bot.
can not ...
Do you know if I can use the Anti Spam Honey Pot technique in conjuction with the Login Tools > Signup Object?
Or will the database have a meltdown?
Honey Pot: Place an edit box into the form, give it an enticing name, hide it from humans, if its filled in its a spam bot.
can not ...
- Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:56 am
- Forum: Off Topic Section
- Topic: Dynamically place object in page using mysql and php?
- Replies: 7
- Views: 7603
Re: Dynamically place object in page using mysql and php?
Hi mate!
I will be comming back to this at some stage, just wanted to say thanks again for your help!
Cheers
BB
- Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:17 am
- Forum: Login Tools Questions
- Topic: Converting to Form and error message fields
- Replies: 2
- Views: 10057
Re: Converting to Form and error message fields
Arrhhh this makes sense, thanks Pablo! As you can tell I am no coder lol.Pablo wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:36 am The conversion to an edit box was chosen just because it is easier (programmatically) to do the conversion.
If you set the editbox to disable and read only then it should no longer be accessible.
Cheers
BB
- Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:38 am
- Forum: Login Tools Questions
- Topic: Converting to Form and error message fields
- Replies: 2
- Views: 10057
Converting to Form and error message fields
Hi Pablo :)
I hope I can get this across ok, if not I will do a video :D
Ok so I am converting all the login tools to forms and theny styling them.
The Change Password Object from the tool box, once converted has all the fields, and one HTML Object for the .php and one HTML Object for the error ...
I hope I can get this across ok, if not I will do a video :D
Ok so I am converting all the login tools to forms and theny styling them.
The Change Password Object from the tool box, once converted has all the fields, and one HTML Object for the .php and one HTML Object for the error ...
- Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:42 am
- Forum: Login Tools Questions
- Topic: Login Tools and reCAPTCHA v2
- Replies: 10
- Views: 13828
Re: Login Tools and reCAPTCHA v2
I'm sorry I have tried it myself and it is not possible. It only works with the standard form processor script.
Pablo thank you for all your help with this! :) no problem at all! I will use the built in CAPTCHA or some other means.
Cheers
BB
EDIT: Ok mate I think I have just wasted your time ...
- Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:51 am
- Forum: Login Tools Questions
- Topic: Login Tools and reCAPTCHA v2
- Replies: 10
- Views: 13828
Re: Login Tools and reCAPTCHA v2
Make sure the reCaptcha extension is one of the first elements in the object list so its code will be processed before anything else.
I can not seem to manage to do the above.
I place the re CAPTCHA onto the page, and then place the Login Signup form, but as I have to convert it to place the ...
- Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:37 am
- Forum: Login Tools Questions
- Topic: Login Tools and reCAPTCHA v2
- Replies: 10
- Views: 13828
Re: Login Tools and reCAPTCHA v2
It may be related to the order of the reCaptcha extension on the page.
Make sure the reCaptcha extension is one of the first elements in the object list so its code will be processed before anything else.
I did not even have a glimmer of thinking of that! thank you I will have another go ...
- Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:35 am
- Forum: Login Tools Questions
- Topic: Login Tools and reCAPTCHA v2
- Replies: 10
- Views: 13828
Re: Login Tools and reCAPTCHA v2
Hi Pablo :)
I spent some time on this cross checking code with Google and as I have poor PHP skills, it all looks like it should work to me, in fact the re CAPTCHA, loads fine and its functions fine, but if I use the submit button, without filling in the re CAPTCHA the form is still registered and ...
I spent some time on this cross checking code with Google and as I have poor PHP skills, it all looks like it should work to me, in fact the re CAPTCHA, loads fine and its functions fine, but if I use the submit button, without filling in the re CAPTCHA the form is still registered and ...
- Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:01 am
- Forum: Login Tools Questions
- Topic: Login Tools and reCAPTCHA v2
- Replies: 10
- Views: 13828
Re: Login Tools and reCAPTCHA v2
Did you try it yourself?
I did have a go yes, but all I did was:
Use a layout grid as the form
Placed all the objects into the form and tested it worked fine.
I then D&D the re CAPTCHA v2 ext into the layout grid.
Did not stop a registration. Easter has slowed us down here :) Kids and all, I ...
- Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:33 am
- Forum: Login Tools Questions
- Topic: Login Tools and reCAPTCHA v2
- Replies: 10
- Views: 13828
Re: Login Tools and reCAPTCHA v2
The reCaptcha extension was designed to work with the built-in form processor script.
I have not tested it with the login tools.
Okies mate thank you :)
Would that be something to add to the "to do list" in future updates? Just asking as the one that is currently in the login tools looks very ...
- Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:50 pm
- Forum: Login Tools Questions
- Topic: Login Tools and reCAPTCHA v2
- Replies: 10
- Views: 13828
Login Tools and reCAPTCHA v2
Hi guys 
Is the reCAPTCHA v2 Extension compatible with the "Signup" login tool, if I Convert it to a form and place the re CAPTCHA extension in the form?
Do I need to enable CAPTCHA in the Signup tool first?
Or will I have to do some code stuff?
Cheers
BB

Is the reCAPTCHA v2 Extension compatible with the "Signup" login tool, if I Convert it to a form and place the re CAPTCHA extension in the form?
Do I need to enable CAPTCHA in the Signup tool first?
Or will I have to do some code stuff?
Cheers
BB
- Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:09 am
- Forum: Off Topic Section
- Topic: Dynamically place object in page using mysql and php?
- Replies: 7
- Views: 7603
Re: Dynamically place object in page using mysql and php?
RZ thank you very much mate!
That is very helpful! I will have a go and let you know what happens
I have everything up in test at the moment so it will be a few days depending on my brain
Thank you again!!
Cheers
BB
That is very helpful! I will have a go and let you know what happens

I have everything up in test at the moment so it will be a few days depending on my brain

Thank you again!!
Cheers
BB
- Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:51 am
- Forum: Off Topic Section
- Topic: Dynamically place object in page using mysql and php?
- Replies: 7
- Views: 7603
Re: Dynamically place object in page using mysql and php?
As per the user profile settings mate, I think I should start there. Dynamically may not be the word.[RZ] wrote: Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:35 am do you mean make them visible according to the profile settings or build them dynamically?
I am still very much learning all this stuff

Cheers
- Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:31 am
- Forum: Off Topic Section
- Topic: Dynamically place object in page using mysql and php?
- Replies: 7
- Views: 7603
Dynamically place object in page using mysql and php?
Hi all :)
If this is in the wrong place please move it.
I have been looking for some time for a tutorial or info on using a MySQL database to place objects into a members area I have built with the login tools.
GREAT tools set BTW thanks Pablo :)
Anyway would anybody be able to point me in the ...
If this is in the wrong place please move it.
I have been looking for some time for a tutorial or info on using a MySQL database to place objects into a members area I have built with the login tools.
GREAT tools set BTW thanks Pablo :)
Anyway would anybody be able to point me in the ...
- Sat Apr 15, 2017 3:03 am
- Forum: Off Topic Section
- Topic: Testing a server
- Replies: 11
- Views: 9514
Re: Testing a server
Australian using Nortons 360 - NO
Dangerous Website Blocked
You attempted to access:
http://ns13.indiandns.com/~demoluck
This is a known dangerous website. It is recommended that you do NOT visit this site. The detailed report explains the security risks on this site.
For your protection ...
Dangerous Website Blocked
You attempted to access:
http://ns13.indiandns.com/~demoluck
This is a known dangerous website. It is recommended that you do NOT visit this site. The detailed report explains the security risks on this site.
For your protection ...
- Sat Apr 15, 2017 3:01 am
- Forum: Off Topic Section
- Topic: Login Tools - Opinions Please!
- Replies: 3
- Views: 4803
Re: Login Tools - Opinions Please!
hi
in my opinion, it depends on which type of information you are handling
the more automation you can offer, the better experience should be
however, if you need to validate high sensitive information or the nature of the business involves hi-risk levels of fraud attempts or any other security ...
- Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:29 am
- Forum: Off Topic Section
- Topic: Login Tools - Opinions Please!
- Replies: 3
- Views: 4803
Login Tools - Opinions Please!
Hey guys :)
Just putting together a MSQL Members system using the login tools.
What's best use Email Verification or Administrator Verification?
Members should only be people who have expressed an interest in my services, so I am thinking Admin Ver but I have never used either before.
Any ...
Just putting together a MSQL Members system using the login tools.
What's best use Email Verification or Administrator Verification?
Members should only be people who have expressed an interest in my services, so I am thinking Admin Ver but I have never used either before.
Any ...
- Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:16 am
- Forum: Off Topic Section
- Topic: WB 12 is pretty cool!
- Replies: 1
- Views: 3286
Re: WB 12 is pretty cool!
Yes it is cool! 

- Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:15 am
- Forum: Off Topic Section
- Topic: Mo****se Blocks
- Replies: 3
- Views: 4349
Re: Mo****se Blocks
Blocks are not uncommon, in fact I know 3 other programs that use them.
I know the program talked about here and have used it, it is great to make mock-up designs in and then implement in WB, but as pajadt states its expensive to be able to access the code in that app and the add -on once brought ...
I know the program talked about here and have used it, it is great to make mock-up designs in and then implement in WB, but as pajadt states its expensive to be able to access the code in that app and the add -on once brought ...